if you open the part properties, it will show a "gyroscope power" number that will change as the size changes - there is a slider that can be adjusted also, for more or less power at any size...and needs a battery fuel tank big enough to run it
it is difficult to line up the green icons, especially getting the planned burn node in view also, i usually do the main burn to just get a path to the SOI, then a correction closer to the planet, where its easier to see the icons, and find a view where they dont disappear...but not ideal for efficiency
to control a seperated part, it needs its own command chip, choose "set primary" in the main one of focus, and the other will come up as "craft _".
activation groups are controlled by the command chip settings in "edit activation groups" - it has a toggle for starting on or off
if you build the arm seperately, with its own command chip/action groups, then save it as a subassembly - it will keep its commands to itself. after that, load your main craft, bring in the arm subassmbly, and attach it with a interstage. it works the same as having a rover or satellite that has seperate controls
im not looking for anything specific, just tying to see if there is a way to filter out the giant ones that are built to look super realistic, which are pretty cool, but it doesnt run good on the andriod around 300+ parts. i have downloaded a couple that never run out of fuel with empty tanks to start, and just keep flying, which kind of takes the fun out of ..for me at least. maybe its just too soon after the mobile version released
when you are in the builder screen, just drag the whole satellite into the square on the top left that says "create subassembly" - it looks like the trash can square, but on the opposite side of the screen, and only pops up after a assembly is highlighted. when you want to load it, if you click the "add part" icon, the bottom square icon (under gizmos) is the "load subassembly" - it will show your list of subassemblies
first (usually once im in orbit around Droo, in "map view") tap on your target(we will say "luna"), then hit the middle icon on the right side of the screen(it should say "map view") - in that pop up box, tap the top right icon (it looks like a square target) - it should say "luna targeted"
now - if you tap on any specific point on your orbit, a "+" will appear. tap on the plus and there will be icons for prograde and retrograde burns, ect. - if you slide them in either direction, it will show a projected orbit for a burn on that point. this is where i guess where "luna" will be in its orbit, and aim my orbit at that distance. (usually a prograde burn with the "+" on the opposite side of droo as my target)
now, when your projected burn orbit is reached out to where you want it, tap on any point of that orbit, and it will show where "luna" is located in relation to your rocket (there will be a rocket icon on your projected orbit, and a "luna" icon on its orbit with a "closest distance" pop up under it)
the goal is to have your rocket, and target ("luna") at the same place, same time.
this would be so much easier to explain with some screenshots, but i hope it helps...i still havent figured how to do "auto burns", but its got to be somewhere in that sequence.
The rcs does change the orbit (from using thrust, i think) try to attach the rcs on the center of mass... but the gyroscope should only change the heading and pitch
one tip that took me forever to figure out when docking - put the camera in "follow mode" , and it will keep the rcs "translate up" as up. the camera mode it starts with is "up" from the center of the planet that the craft is orbiting - and if you target the craft that you are trying to dock with, then tap the velocity readout, it will show velocity relative to orbital, surface, or the target - keep it on target and the green arrow pointed at the target using translate
i just did the same mission, and launched with heading set to 335deg - once you start the gravity turn (and gaining lateral velocity), the inclination number starts ticking up - then as its getting close to 100 deg, small heading adjustments should set up the original low orbit with correct inclination, and normal pro grade burns to raise the orbit apo/peri - hope its a help, good luck 🚀
@shadowrider - great! yes, that would be nice to have, or part dry mass readout - when im still changing the fuel tank size, i make a small tank section (using the fuel drain priority setting to make it the last one to drain in the stage) and have the vizzy run from that...so you dont have to adjust the program every resizing.
there is a "part mass" in vizzy - use the part # of the booster fuel tank, and set the "activate stage" to happen when the mass gets 1kg close to empty. so, say the booster fuel tank weighs 1000kg at launch, and 100kg empty...set "activate stage" (interstage) to happen when it weighs 101kg
@gerardo9899 - that should be it, and having a battery powering it (like Dereric said) - if it is still causing problems, upload a current version and im sure we can help get it working
the closest thing is sinking a electric motor (with prop connected to it) into a jet engine - a high bypass jet engine will act similar, but the setup would use battery and jet fuel to run
@Dereric - that sounds like almost the same thing - when the crafts are docked, they work like a primary, and secondary chips (by which one is under player control) - good to know for the multiple chips in one craft, thanks
i think the "replicate" only works when the command chips are on crafts that are docked together - its been a while since i messed with that, but i remember making a craft that assembled by docking a couple pieces in orbit, with the main command pod (in control) and engines on a docked strut with a seperate command chip - im not sure if it still works that way...but i dont think replicate works between completely seperate crafts, vizzy might be the only way for that
yes - more realistic physics is harder to balance crafts, and there are alot more options for customization of the parts - it takes a little longer to learn the settings....but makes it possible to build almost anything you want
@Matrice - i think i understand what you are saying - i might try a test of it, and send a link to see if it is the same idea - i just recently tried to see if the latest update had any changes (attempted the variable pitch blades on a quadcopter, but still stretched like before, and ended up using fixed blades and throttle for control) - but i didnt try the 2nd connection, which sounds like a big help
@Matrice - yeah, that is a good idea - the 2 rotators connecting on the same axis has helped alot with some other parts i used it on, but i never tried it on a rotor...and the rotator gizmos have the "size" setting now - the 50kg stock size was kind of heavy, before the update
i have tried every way i could think of, and still got the stretch - very low rpm and longer blades reduce it...but usually its too slow for the needed lift - i hope they fix it one day
@Matrice - if you break symmetry on the wing with the control surface, then each can work independantly - one can be (pitch + roll) and opposite side can be (pitch - roll)
were they built docked together, or conflicting after docking? there is a setting that says "replicate AGs" that you can turn off in the game on the "command chip/pod" (if you tap on it in-game), or in the command chip/pod settings in the builder screen
one suggestion, if you make a roll program - the in game heading lock (PID) controller will override the roll input of any vizzy program...use a slider or variable as your roll input for it to work without fighting the auto-pilot while heading is locked.
it should be in meters/second, if the conversions are correct - if you can put a link to the craft with the vizzy, im sure we can see what is happening - it can definitely be done, i have used that equation for an orbit circularization before
@Zenithspeed - i have found some help with crafts by pinging some players on unlisted WIP crafts and asking if they could help with a test flight, and most players are willing (if they have the time), then do the public upload after fixing any bugs they find - or uploading the WIP with "help" for whatever the issue is...and i usually end up doing the final upload at some crazy late hour, but doesnt seem to effect if people see it
yes, should be correct for earth - and the 360 ÷ (14 hr × 60 min × 60 sec) = 0.0071429 deg/sec would have matched your method, if i got the day length correct - lol
pedro made a variable input control rocket engine that can be set by the vizzy program, and work completely seperate from the throttle. It works great, but the stock engines can't be changed from throttle input
@sushiboi - i saw this a little late, but wanted to add that some of the variable input engines, rotators, and gyroscope can be used with a vizzy program to help with adjusting controls (pedro has some good ones to download) - i tried using the rocket config, then having vizzy shut off the roll control in vacuum, like you said, and it worked pretty well - i also hope they add a way to adjust the auto pilot PIDs thru vizzy someday...it would be very helpful for SSTO, VTOL, and other gudance programs
@Bibhab - if you have a large enough planned burn to cross the moons orbit path, drag the whole node around the current orbit until it shows an intercept, the craft and planet icons should light up green
first - get into a orbit around droo, then target luna(or any moon) and try different planned burns until you get an encounter with the moon. after you have the encounter with the moon SOI, fast foreward until you are at the closest point to the moon, then retrograde burn until you have a stable orbit - hope this helps
@Schaden - it usually doesnt take long for people to get there - the forum upvotes only give 2 points, craft upvotes give 15 points each - Welcome to the community 🚀
in the craft information part of the vizzzy there is a misc - "solar radiation" - if you do
-on start
-wait until(solar rad>0)
-wait (x) seconds
-launch program
it should wait until the sunrise, then however many seconds to delay the launch, but not sure if the mod would affect it
+1 4.7 years agoif you open the part properties, it will show a "gyroscope power" number that will change as the size changes - there is a slider that can be adjusted also, for more or less power at any size...and needs a battery fuel tank big enough to run it
+1 4.7 years agoit is difficult to line up the green icons, especially getting the planned burn node in view also, i usually do the main burn to just get a path to the SOI, then a correction closer to the planet, where its easier to see the icons, and find a view where they dont disappear...but not ideal for efficiency
+1 4.7 years ago@crowxe - awesome findings - makes me rethink the engines i have used, and a new approach in the future.
+1 4.8 years agoto control a seperated part, it needs its own command chip, choose "set primary" in the main one of focus, and the other will come up as "craft _".
+1 4.9 years agoactivation groups are controlled by the command chip settings in "edit activation groups" - it has a toggle for starting on or off
if you build the arm seperately, with its own command chip/action groups, then save it as a subassembly - it will keep its commands to itself. after that, load your main craft, bring in the arm subassmbly, and attach it with a interstage. it works the same as having a rover or satellite that has seperate controls
+1 5.0 years agowe are going to have to build super heavy duty excavating equipment now....
+1 5.0 years agoim not looking for anything specific, just tying to see if there is a way to filter out the giant ones that are built to look super realistic, which are pretty cool, but it doesnt run good on the andriod around 300+ parts. i have downloaded a couple that never run out of fuel with empty tanks to start, and just keep flying, which kind of takes the fun out of ..for me at least. maybe its just too soon after the mobile version released
+1 5.2 years agowhen you are in the builder screen, just drag the whole satellite into the square on the top left that says "create subassembly" - it looks like the trash can square, but on the opposite side of the screen, and only pops up after a assembly is highlighted. when you want to load it, if you click the "add part" icon, the bottom square icon (under gizmos) is the "load subassembly" - it will show your list of subassemblies
+1 5.2 years agofirst (usually once im in orbit around Droo, in "map view") tap on your target(we will say "luna"), then hit the middle icon on the right side of the screen(it should say "map view") - in that pop up box, tap the top right icon (it looks like a square target) - it should say "luna targeted"
now - if you tap on any specific point on your orbit, a "+" will appear. tap on the plus and there will be icons for prograde and retrograde burns, ect. - if you slide them in either direction, it will show a projected orbit for a burn on that point. this is where i guess where "luna" will be in its orbit, and aim my orbit at that distance. (usually a prograde burn with the "+" on the opposite side of droo as my target)
now, when your projected burn orbit is reached out to where you want it, tap on any point of that orbit, and it will show where "luna" is located in relation to your rocket (there will be a rocket icon on your projected orbit, and a "luna" icon on its orbit with a "closest distance" pop up under it)
the goal is to have your rocket, and target ("luna") at the same place, same time.
this would be so much easier to explain with some screenshots, but i hope it helps...i still havent figured how to do "auto burns", but its got to be somewhere in that sequence.
+1 5.2 years agoThe rcs does change the orbit (from using thrust, i think) try to attach the rcs on the center of mass... but the gyroscope should only change the heading and pitch
1.6 years agoone tip that took me forever to figure out when docking - put the camera in "follow mode" , and it will keep the rcs "translate up" as up. the camera mode it starts with is "up" from the center of the planet that the craft is orbiting - and if you target the craft that you are trying to dock with, then tap the velocity readout, it will show velocity relative to orbital, surface, or the target - keep it on target and the green arrow pointed at the target using translate
i just did the same mission, and launched with heading set to 335deg - once you start the gravity turn (and gaining lateral velocity), the inclination number starts ticking up - then as its getting close to 100 deg, small heading adjustments should set up the original low orbit with correct inclination, and normal pro grade burns to raise the orbit apo/peri - hope its a help, good luck 🚀
1.6 years ago@shadowrider - great! yes, that would be nice to have, or part dry mass readout - when im still changing the fuel tank size, i make a small tank section (using the fuel drain priority setting to make it the last one to drain in the stage) and have the vizzy run from that...so you dont have to adjust the program every resizing.
1.8 years agothere is a "part mass" in vizzy - use the part # of the booster fuel tank, and set the "activate stage" to happen when the mass gets 1kg close to empty. so, say the booster fuel tank weighs 1000kg at launch, and 100kg empty...set "activate stage" (interstage) to happen when it weighs 101kg
1.8 years ago@CORC - phones can add images using the same format, it works for sure -
just replace the "picture link" with the actual link
1.9 years agomove the address inside the brackets
2.1 years ago@gerardo9899 - i was meaning a WIP upload, like this Test Example - let me know if this works
2.1 years ago@gerardo9899 - that should be it, and having a battery powering it (like Dereric said) - if it is still causing problems, upload a current version and im sure we can help get it working
2.1 years agoset it to an activation group (should be near the top of "part settings", and turn on the activation group
2.1 years agoHopefully monday is a "go" 🚀
2.2 years agoHitch hikers Guide to the Galaxy and Spaceballs
2.3 years agothe closest thing is sinking a electric motor (with prop connected to it) into a jet engine - a high bypass jet engine will act similar, but the setup would use battery and jet fuel to run
2.3 years ago@Dereric - that sounds like almost the same thing - when the crafts are docked, they work like a primary, and secondary chips (by which one is under player control) - good to know for the multiple chips in one craft, thanks
2.4 years agoi think the "replicate" only works when the command chips are on crafts that are docked together - its been a while since i messed with that, but i remember making a craft that assembled by docking a couple pieces in orbit, with the main command pod (in control) and engines on a docked strut with a seperate command chip - im not sure if it still works that way...but i dont think replicate works between completely seperate crafts, vizzy might be the only way for that
2.4 years agotry with the "derivative" setting at 0, most plane controls work well with just the "proportional" used on auto pilot
2.5 years ago@OnlyRealCarrot - lol - good one!
2.5 years agoyes - more realistic physics is harder to balance crafts, and there are alot more options for customization of the parts - it takes a little longer to learn the settings....but makes it possible to build almost anything you want
2.5 years ago@YaMomzBox420 - Great! i saw the screenshot forum post - Thank you for sharing it, more resources are always a help
2.6 years ago@Matrice - i think i understand what you are saying - i might try a test of it, and send a link to see if it is the same idea - i just recently tried to see if the latest update had any changes (attempted the variable pitch blades on a quadcopter, but still stretched like before, and ended up using fixed blades and throttle for control) - but i didnt try the 2nd connection, which sounds like a big help
2.6 years ago@Matrice - yeah, that is a good idea - the 2 rotators connecting on the same axis has helped alot with some other parts i used it on, but i never tried it on a rotor...and the rotator gizmos have the "size" setting now - the 50kg stock size was kind of heavy, before the update
2.6 years agoi have tried every way i could think of, and still got the stretch - very low rpm and longer blades reduce it...but usually its too slow for the needed lift - i hope they fix it one day
2.6 years ago@Matrice - if you break symmetry on the wing with the control surface, then each can work independantly - one can be (pitch + roll) and opposite side can be (pitch - roll)
2.6 years agoPost Formatting - its pinned to the top of the forums also
2.6 years agowere they built docked together, or conflicting after docking? there is a setting that says "replicate AGs" that you can turn off in the game on the "command chip/pod" (if you tap on it in-game), or in the command chip/pod settings in the builder screen
2.6 years agoone suggestion, if you make a roll program - the in game heading lock (PID) controller will override the roll input of any vizzy program...use a slider or variable as your roll input for it to work without fighting the auto-pilot while heading is locked.
2.7 years agofor a plane or rocket?
2.7 years agoSuggestion
2.7 years agothe reverse thrust should work if you set "brake" to 100% and then throttle up, with default engine settings - but can be changed to different inputs
2.8 years agoit should be in meters/second, if the conversions are correct - if you can put a link to the craft with the vizzy, im sure we can see what is happening - it can definitely be done, i have used that equation for an orbit circularization before
2.9 years agoyes - it has a much less dense atomosphere, so performace is similar to high altitude on droo
3.0 years ago@Zenithspeed - i have found some help with crafts by pinging some players on unlisted WIP crafts and asking if they could help with a test flight, and most players are willing (if they have the time), then do the public upload after fixing any bugs they find - or uploading the WIP with "help" for whatever the issue is...and i usually end up doing the final upload at some crazy late hour, but doesnt seem to effect if people see it
3.0 years agoyes, should be correct for earth - and the 360 ÷ (14 hr × 60 min × 60 sec) = 0.0071429 deg/sec would have matched your method, if i got the day length correct - lol
3.0 years agosorry, i didnt realize the 24 hour day on the clock was not accurate for a day on droo...but looks like you got it on the other post
3.0 years agoi think its 360 ÷ (24 hrs × 60 min × 60 sec) = 1/240 or 0.0041667 deg/sec
3.0 years agopedro made a variable input control rocket engine that can be set by the vizzy program, and work completely seperate from the throttle. It works great, but the stock engines can't be changed from throttle input
3.0 years ago@sushiboi - i saw this a little late, but wanted to add that some of the variable input engines, rotators, and gyroscope can be used with a vizzy program to help with adjusting controls (pedro has some good ones to download) - i tried using the rocket config, then having vizzy shut off the roll control in vacuum, like you said, and it worked pretty well - i also hope they add a way to adjust the auto pilot PIDs thru vizzy someday...it would be very helpful for SSTO, VTOL, and other gudance programs
3.0 years ago@Bibhab - if you have a large enough planned burn to cross the moons orbit path, drag the whole node around the current orbit until it shows an intercept, the craft and planet icons should light up green
3.1 years agofirst - get into a orbit around droo, then target luna(or any moon) and try different planned burns until you get an encounter with the moon. after you have the encounter with the moon SOI, fast foreward until you are at the closest point to the moon, then retrograde burn until you have a stable orbit - hope this helps
3.1 years ago@Schaden - Ok - glad to see that you joined the website, and sharing some posts
3.1 years ago@Schaden - it usually doesnt take long for people to get there - the forum upvotes only give 2 points, craft upvotes give 15 points each - Welcome to the community 🚀
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